[Asrg] Email Postage (was Re: FeedBack loops)

[Steve Atkins]

This is nothing to do with feedback loops.

On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Barry Shein wrote:

>
> How about: If it's commercial, and it hasn't been paid for by the
> sender (i.e., to the ISP who might pass that along as s/he sees fit),
> and the ISP declares that it should have been paid for, then it is
> spam?
>
> Period. The rest is implementation detail.
>
> I mean, how f****** crazy have we become?
>
> The only way to make a resource valuable is to make it scarce.
>
> We have done quite the opposite on the spam front so encouraged its
> proliferation.
>
>
> Q1. But what is commercial? And how high is the sky? And what's the
> meaning of summer?
>
> A1.1 It's commercial if the ISP says it is. Don't like the definition?
> POUND DIRT, find another provider, etc.
>
> Q2. But how are you going to make this policy airtight and perfectly
> impermeable because as WE ALL KNOW if just ONE message slips thru
> unbilled then WE MUST LET ALL MESSAGES THROUGH FOR FREE!
>
> A2.1 Is your whole family mentally ill, or is it just you?
>
> A2.2 Charging for something creates an economics around its
> control. So how well is the IETF paying y'all to participate in ASRG?
> Oh, right, yeah I know...phew (shakes head in disbelief.) See A2.1.
>
> Q3. But it's morally wrong to charge for commercial (i.e., any) email!
> Your customers are already paying for it! What about commercial email
> THEY WANT!
>
> A3.1 I assume this is the reason your postal service delivers all your
> (commercial) mail w/o charging postage? Ooops, waitaminit.
>
> A3.1 See A2.1.
>
> ---
>
> Put simply, anti-spam should be a process of creating a cost to
> sending commercial (and, by extension, any) email: to delineating and
> implementing policies, protocols, etc.
>
> Any other goal (sub-goals aside), like how are we going to keep this
> all you can eat party going and just discourage people who eat too
> much (why, some fill their pockets!!!) is nutso nutso nutso.
>
>
> --  
>        -Barry Shein
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