[Asrg] attention bonds, was Email Postage

[mathew]

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:46, Rich Kulawiec <rsk at gsp.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 09:11:47AM -0600, mathew wrote:
> > So, how come SSL hasn't been hacked around?
>
> Why should anyone bother?


To phish.

> >  Any proposal like this
> > > must also be accompanied by a viable plan to un-compromise those
> systems
> > > and keep them that way.  Otherwise it's dead on arrival.
> >
> > In that case, all proposals are dead on arrival and we may as well shut
> down
> > this list.
>
> No, there are plenty of other ideas (and implemented systems) which do not
> rely on the presumed integrity of those end-user systems.


Such as?

> Since the definition of spam, for me, is what I say it is [...]
>
> That is not the correct definition of spam.  The correct definition
> of spam (in the context of SMTP) is "unsolicited bulk email".


And who, other than me, knows what I solicited?


> > The last time I received spam sent by a friend's system was... never. I'm
> > sure it happens, but the fact that it does isn't a consideration as far
> as
> > *I* am concerned.
>
> If you are going to propose a global solution, then you must take account
> global problems.


Maybe you have a different definition of "global". To me, a global solution
is one that is not restricted by geography; it's not necessarily a system
that anyone can use. The telephone network is a global system, but there are
still plenty of people who can't afford or can't use a telephone.


mathew
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