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<DIV dir=ltr>And in which universe is this type of rhetoric an effective means of attracting support?</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>The IETF is not an ideological political movement, nor is it a religious cult. The talk radio approach is not so effective here.</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>My postal mail is 90% junk and the rest almost invariably shows evidence of an attempt by a postal worker to open it, presumably in the hope of finding something worth stealing. I don't think the postal system will be around for very long.</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>In practice the 'telephone system' is being dismantled as we speak. Most of the actual data transport is VOIP these days. I have three lines into the house, all VOIP. Over the next few decades the 'telephone system' will continue to reduce in size and scope until all that is left is the SS7 system as a vestigial appendix on the Internet.</DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> asrg-bounces@irtf.org on behalf of Barry Shein<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thu 11/13/2008 5:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Asrg] Email Postage (was Re: FeedBack loops)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>On November 13, 2008 at 16:41 sethb@panix.com (Seth) wrote:<BR> > Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> wrote:<BR> ><BR> > > So if I limited you to 1 million messages per day (for free, after<BR> > > that you pay) perhaps you could operate as you do now but the spammers<BR> > > would be out of business.<BR> > ><BR> > > Or maybe 1,000 msgs/day, etc.<BR> ><BR> > How do you know who "I" am?<BR> ><BR> > Limit a spammer to 1000 messages/day, and he'll just steal 1 million<BR> > "identities" and send his billion spams. He does it through tens of<BR> > millions of hijacked zombies now, anyway.<BR> ><BR> > So, tell me _how_ you plan to limit everybody to 1,000 (free) messages<BR> > per day.<BR><BR>The tone of hopelessness and despair is noted.<BR><BR>The plan is to create an economy around bulk commercial messaging, all<BR>bulk commercial messaging.<BR><BR>Then we won't have to rely on free volunteers stealing a few minutes<BR>here and there at work to solve this complex, global problem by<BR>repeating the same tired, defeatist remarks over and over thinking<BR>they've added something.<BR><BR>Perhaps as an exercise we should take a month, stop all spam-related<BR>topics, and discuss how the global postal system or telephone system<BR>should work. Because it seems to me that there is little ability here<BR>to even converge on existing realities, let alone propose new<BR>regimens.<BR><BR>By that I mean people here regularly "stand up" and disprove to a<BR>great degree of certainty that, e.g., cell phone systems (as they<BR>exist) cannot possibly be made to work, postage sytems, telephone<BR>systems in general, etc. etc. and in their mind declare the matter<BR>thus closed.<BR><BR>It's really rather remarkable, like watching a bunch of self-declared<BR>physicists prove beyond a reasonable doubt (to themselves) that<BR>bumblebees cannot possibly fly* simply because the conclusion<BR>satisfies the constraints they wish to impose on the result.<BR><BR>Of course here the process is transparently simple: No email charges<BR>may exist, always work backwards from that desired conclusion.<BR><BR><BR>* <A href="http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1076/is-it-aerodynamically-impossible-for-bumHmm, blebees-to-fly">http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1076/is-it-aerodynamically-impossible-for-bumHmm, blebees-to-fly</A><BR><BR><BR>--<BR> -Barry Shein<BR><BR>The World | bzs@TheWorld.com | <A href="http://www.theworld.com/">http://www.TheWorld.com</A><BR>Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Login: Nationwide<BR>Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Asrg mailing list<BR>Asrg@irtf.org<BR><A href="https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg">https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg</A><BR></FONT></P></DIV></BODY></HTML>