On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:38, Seth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sethb@panix.com">sethb@panix.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">mathew <<a href="mailto:meta@pobox.com">meta@pobox.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d">> - No system is acceptable if it allows me to say what I consider spam.<br>
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</div>Any system that blocks "what you consider spam" requires telepathy.</blockquote><div><br>Apple should patent their software telepathy then.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">The easier it is to bypass a system, the less useful that system is.<br></div>
The more this bypassing costs innocent victims (including incompetent<br>
ones), the less useful that system is.</blockquote><div><br>I disagree. I don't see that shielding the incompetent and unwise from the cost of their ignorance and poor decisions is a necessary feature of all systems.<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> - Systems like SMS where people are billed 10 cents a message are<br><div class="Ih2E3d">
> economically impossible.<br>
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</div>They obviously exist.</blockquote><div><br>OK, so we can be done with the "it's economically impossible" canard?<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">> - No system is acceptable unless it is usable by everyone on the<br>
> - Internet.<br>
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</div>A system that can't be used by a significant fraction of those I<br>
communicate with thereby lacks value to me.</blockquote><div><br>So don't use it. Nobody has ever said that you personally will be required to collect attention bonds, or that everyone will be required to. However, it was objected that *I* shouldn't be able to collect them, because people from countries with non-convertible currencies wouldn't be able to pay. Hence the response that I don't communicate with anyone in such countries.<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> ...and so on. Offering nothing positive, these naysayers shoot down<br><div class="Ih2E3d">
> every proposal with the same tired objections that have been<br>
> addressed over and over and over as unreasonable or out of touch<br>
> with reality.<br>
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</div>"Running code and rough concensus" You haven't provided the first,<br>
why worry so much about the second?</blockquote><div><br>If you have a working implementation, who cares about consensus?<br><br><br>mathew<br></div></div>