[rrg] [GROW] Operational experience with cache based mapping ID

[PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri]

Hi Ron, 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Bonica [mailto:rbonica at juniper.net] 
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:26 PM
> To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri
> Cc: Peter Schoenmaker; grow at ietf.org; Routing Research Group 
> Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [GROW] Operational experience with cache based mapping ID
> 
> Hi Dimitri,
> 
> I think that this is a very good outline.
> 
> Someplace in the document, you might want to address failure 
> modes that
> are associated with each cache replacement algorithm and acquisition
> technique. 

Failure modes and their impact certainly deserve a dedicated 
section in the document indeed.

> The security consideration section should also talk about DoS
> attacks and mitigations.

The exploration problem is indeed a real issue. The security 
considerations will be addressed accordingly.

Thanks,
-dimitri.

>                               Ron
> 
> 
> PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri wrote:
> > Peter,
> > 
> > the below is what I proposed to Bill that launched the thread: 
> > 
> > ---
> > Section 1: Introduction
> > 
> > Section 2: Motivations and Roles
> > 
> > Section 3: Caching Techniques
> > 
> > Section 3.1: Metrics
> > - Hit rate
> > - Hit time/Latency
> > - Others
> > 
> > Section 3.2: Cache Replacement Algorithms 
> > - Least Recently Used (LRU)
> > - Least Recently Replaced (LRR)
> > - Least Frequently Used (LFU)
> > 
> > -> Associativity (Direct mapping, Fully/N-Way/Skewed)
> > 
> > Section 3.4: Acquisition Techniques 
> > - Push: e.g. BGP
> > - Pull: e.g. DNS
> > - Hybrid Push-Pull 
> > 
> > Section 4: Operational experience
> > 
> > - Structure to be refined per input
> > 
> > Section 5: Conclusions
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > comments are welcome.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > -dimitri.
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: grow-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:grow-bounces at ietf.org] On 
> >> Behalf Of Peter Schoenmaker
> >> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:47 AM
> >> To: Ron Bonica
> >> Cc: grow at ietf.org; Routing Research Group Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [GROW] Operational experience with cache 
> based mapping ID
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> It seems there is interest in this topic.  But to move 
> >> forward we need  
> >> volunteer(s) to act as the editor.
> >>
> >> We already have one study 
> >> <http://inl.info.ucl.ac.be/publications/cost-caching-locatorid
> > -mappings 
> >>  > specifically on LISP.  There is a request for a study 
> of existing  
> >> deployed protocols that use caching, and their operational impacts.
> >>
> >> Do we have more specifics about the protocols to be studied, 
> >> and what  
> >> the paper would contain?
> >>
> >> peter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 24, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Ron Bonica wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Bill,
> >>>
> >>> Since we are discussing operational experience, I would 
> >> like to see  
> >>> the
> >>> conversation continue on the GROW list.
> >>>
> >>> GROW chairs,
> >>>
> >>> There seems to be interest in this topic. Could you guys appoint a
> >>> document editor?
> >>>
> >>>                                 Ron
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> William Herrin wrote:
> >>>> Thanks folks. The question was asked in GROW but it 
> seems like its
> >>>> most directly relevant to the research being done in RRG. 
> >> I suggest  
> >>>> we
> >>>> move the discussion to one list or the other and 
> >> periodically give an
> >>>> update to both. Does anyone have a preference for which list?
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Bill
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:10 AM, PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri
> >>>> <Dimitri.Papadimitriou at alcatel-lucent.be> wrote:
> >>>>> i see value in such effort. ready to help.
> >>>>> -d.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: grow-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:grow-bounces at ietf.org] On
> >>>>>> Behalf Of William Herrin
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:17 PM
> >>>>>> To: grow at ietf.org; Routing Research Group Mailing List
> >>>>>> Subject: [GROW] Operational experience with cache based 
> >> mapping ID
> >>>>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There was a suggestion at grow this morning that we 
> >> produce a ID on
> >>>>>> operational experience with cache-based mapping systems. 
> >> Systems  
> >>>>>> like
> >>>>>> the DNS have been very successful. On the other hand, I still  
> >>>>>> remember
> >>>>>> worms sending to random destinations on a 56k modem 
> >> DOSing a Cisco
> >>>>>> 2500 because of the route cache. It would be very helpful to  
> >>>>>> determine
> >>>>>> what factors allow a caching strategy to be successful and what
> >>>>>> factors tend to lead to failure.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think this is very relevant to a number of the solution  
> >>>>>> strategies
> >>>>>> under discussion on RRG, not just LISP. So, is anyone else  
> >>>>>> interested
> >>>>>> in organizing the effort? If not, I volunteer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Bill Herrin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> William D. Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  
> >> bill at herrin.us
> >>>>>> 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: 
> >> <http://bill.herrin.us/>
> >>>>>> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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