[rrg] RACHH: the host-based solution - prepping the PR team to sell it
Teco Boot
teco at inf-net.nl
Mon Nov 24 07:39:35 PST 2008
Hi Robin,
> > Adding ISP uplinks to single-homed edge networks can be very
> beneficial.
>
> But it requires some kind of scheme to make them useful. Currently,
> the only way to multihome like this is to get PI space and advertise
> it into the DFZ through one ISP or the other. As more and more
> end-user networks do this, so we have the routing scaling problem.
Multi-homing with PA is possible. See RFC3704 section 4 on suggested
solutions. My BRDP Based Routing proposal is an enhancement, it eliminates
careful planning and configuration and the need for tunnels.
> > Taking an existing ISP uplink out of service would need more
> attention, but
> > don't say this is impossible or not cost-effective. Let's say: it
> depends.
> > More important: it can be decided site by site.
>
> I haven't been able to understand this clearly, or why you think it a
> host-based routing scaling solution could pass either set of
> critiques I (and others) have made:
>
> 1 - It would be impossible to deploy it widely enough (in any
> reasonable time frame) that there were such a proportion of
> all hosts (such as 95%, 99% or whatever) that the resulting
> multihoming would actually be useful to anyone who deployed it -
> this is because a host-based solution only works when both
> hosts are upgraded. This is especially so if the scheme involves
> rewriting applications, as well as host stacks.
>
> As Brian Carpenter wrote recently:
>
> It's clear that once you ask for action by application
> programmers or non-routine action by end users, the costs
> become unthinkable.
>
>
> 2 - As I wrote here:
>
> Fundamental objections to a host-based scalable routing solution
> http://www.irtf.org/pipermail/rrg/2008-November/000233.html
>
> It would be undesirable to push this functionality out to hosts,
> compared to handling it with some new architectural structures
> in the network (that is, the routing and addressing system in
> the core of the Net and in ISP and end-user networks).
I prefer a step-by-step approach.
The first step would upgrade edge networks for multi-homing, this enables
multi-homing for hosts that can make use of it.
In a second step, hosts are updated. It depends on the gain for users how
fast a transition takes place. Keep in mind that many end-user hosts use
dynamic addresses already (single address, IPv4, lots of NAT). Day-to-day
renumbering is no problem at all.
Upgrading server farms requires special attention. I would not say servers
MUST have static unique addresses, there are examples of hosted servers
based on DNS names. For those, multi-homing is not that difficult to
implement.
I think the subject line has some negative judgment. And I would call it the
edge-based solution.
Keep in mind that I do not prefer edge-based over core-based. I think they
are orthogonal.
Teco.
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